Christiaan Gerhardus
Ebersöhn
Jesus
arose from the tomb …
on
the First Day of the week?
‘Jesus arose from the tomb on
the First Day of the week?’
by Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
http://www.biblestudents.co.za
http://www.thelordsday.wordpress.com
Jesus
arose from the tomb on the First Day of the week?
Gerhard:
Re:
<<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day of the week, while it was
yet dark.......not during the fullness of the Sabbath day.>>>
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose
from the tomb on the first day of the week>>>
yet
“gave Jesus them Rest, a Sabbath Day’s Rest
for keeping remains valid for the People of God”???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose
from the tomb on the first day of the week>>>
yet
“God THUS CONCERNING the Seventh Day spake:
And God the day The Seventh Day from all his works RESTED”???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose
from the tomb on the first day of the week>>>
yet
“Let no one condemn you for feast OF
SABBATHS CHRIST BEING THE SUBSTANCE”???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose
from the tomb on the first day of the week>>>
yet
“the Son of Man is Lord of the SABBATH”???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose
from the tomb on the first day of the week, while it was yet
dark>>>
yet
Mary saw “the stone away from the tomb” AND
JESUS WAS RISEN AND NOWHERE TO BE SEEN THERE OR THEN???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day
of the week>>>
yet
“on the First Day of the week while it was
yet EARLY dark” first thing after the Sabbath, Mary saw the stone away from the
tomb AND JESUS, RISEN AND NOWHERE TO BE SEEN THERE OR THEN!
And listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day
of the week>>>
yet
“Does not [God] on the SABBATH loose his ox
[-Suffering Servant] or his ass from the stall [-grave] and lead Him away to
watering [into Life and Glory]?....And will not [God] pull his ass or ox
[-Suffering Servant] FALLEN INTO PIT [death and grave] RAISE HIM OUT ON THE
SABBATH DAY”?
And listen to this again: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day
of the week>>>
yet
“healed He every sickness ON THE SABBATH”;
“healed He every SICK ONE ON THE SABBATH”?
And listen to this: : <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day
of the week>>>
yet
“ON THE SABBATH they brought out the King’s
Son and PUT UPON HIM THE CROWN AND MADE HIM KING….and they came THROUGH THE
HIGH GATE unto the King’s House and SET THE KING UPON THE THRONE OF THE
KINGDOM”???
Listen to this:: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day
of the week>>>
yet
"The Jews sought to slay Him because
He had done these (wonders and healings) ON THE SABBATH—but Jesus answered
them, My Father WORKETH HITHERTO AND I WORK HITHERTO”???
STILL Scripture is LACKING for this:
<<<Jesus arose from the tomb on the first day of the week>>>
and FOREVER will lack for NEVER was it “thus written…OF THE CHRIST”.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-day-adventist/TS76GLFGNM5STQGAI#lastPost
'The Lord's Day in the Covenant of
Grace'
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/books/Book%201,%201%20Passover%20to%20Crucifixion.pdf page 241
Kenneh F. Doig quotes J. Neusner, Money-Changers
in the
Q~The
negative is that the atonement for sin achieved by the daily whole offering is
null, and the positive, that atonement for sin is achieved by the Eucharist :
one table is overturned, another table set up in place, and both for the same
purpose of atonement and expiation of sin.” It amounts to this: That the
Passover sacrifice did not atone for sins, neither in fact the daily sacrifice,
but that sin is expiated by the Eucharist through transubstantiation of Jesus “
Himself” into the “bread” and “wine” of “the Last Supper or Eucharist”.
Although the Passover sacrifice was in fact slaughtered on 14 Nisan, Jesus did
not die as the Passover Lamb for to atone for sins.
He
was crucified the next day Nisan 15 as the “final”, “daily” sacrifice – which
ended in “70 CE”. By the true sacrifice for sin, the Eucharist or Mass, He
atones for sin even today.~Q
Dear fellow Protestant believer, is the
scarlet harlot your mother Church and the false prophet your Word of God? Then
celebrate with her your Good Fridays and Easter Sundays! Or obey the Word of
God that proclaims Christ our Passover lamb for the forgiveness of sin, “By
which also you are saved, if you keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless you have believed in vain … how that Christ died for our sins according
to the Scriptures (on 14 Nisan) and that He was buried (according to the
Scriptures “the next day” on 15 Nisan) and that He rose again the third day
according to the Scriptures (on 16 Nisan, “the day after the (Passover)
Sabbath” “the First Fruit from the dead”).
Rudy:
What is the point of spamming this forum by
a "copy and paste" from another website? Not only is it annoying, but
99.9% of it is gibberish, obviously the product of an internet auto
translation.
Kevin:
A lot of redundancy, lack of organization,
and based on tradition not archaeology.
Gerhard:
Different temperatures from the same barley
brew different beers.
I stand in wonder at the cross-cultivars of
weed which overnight sprout from freshly cultivated apologetic land.
Dormant friendships and brotherhood wait in
the dark for light to form.
Rudy:
I rest my case...
Gerhard:
What is your, <case> -- if I may ask? Another cultivar evolved from every
variety but the Scripture-variety?
All one hears about is NASA nasal sounds of
scorn at every word taken from the Bible or uttered by the LORD.
A simple, literal, unambiguous BIBLE
passover of "THREE DAYS THICK DARKNESS" OF "THE PLAGUE
(that) WAS UPON HIM" is all that is
needed.
God rested his <case> in Christ who "the third day rose from the dead
ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES" -- and hence "therefore for the People
of God REMAINS RESTING THE SABBATH." FINIS.
(...do I hear the sounds of cunching....)
Gerhard:
What is <<cunching>>? I hear the sound of crunching dry skull jaw bones
stripped of all the gold fillings.
Rudy:
What are "NASA nasal sounds"?
Soft 'crunching'....a dragon sound!
Joe:
This is really a wierd thread - seems like
everyone has spent too much time at certain
As far as I'm concerned, who cares what day
of the week Christ rose from the dead? The spiriual bottom line (if you're a
Bible believer) is that He did rise from the dead; and because of that, we have
access to eternal life through Him. It's kinda like Christmas - who cares what
day it actually happened? It did happen; and all I care about is the results.
I did not enhale......just saying.....
TCross:
I did.
Joe:
My problem is that I never exhaled.
Gerhard:
Who cares what day God rested from all his
works “in the Sabbath”? Why did God even bother to mention! As far as every one
who counts, is concerned, He rose from the dead on Sunday! That’s all that
counts. Who cares they are taken for a ride? As long as the company is
respected.
I can’t care less that Christ rose from the
dead “In the Sabbath”! Who cares?! Who is God?! Who cares! The spiritual bottom
line is am I in?!
The true bottom line is everyone professes
he is <a Bible believer> because it is the in-thing. It is the popular
thing He did rise from the dead on Sunday; very smart! And because of that, we
are welcome at private holy congregations of the conspirators against Truth and
Scripture.
O yes, to be ‘in’ you must have <eternal life through Him>; it’s
respectable to be ‘Christian’. It's kinda like Christmas - who cares what day
or whatever happened? All I care about is the results. All I care about is be
counted.
Kevin:
The archaeological and linguistic evidence
is that different Jewish groups had some different dating of the months around
the holydays by how they reckoned time. The evidence is that Jesus' last supper
Passover was the Essene Passover on the day that the Essenes would have said
was the 14 Nisan, which would have been the day after the Feast at Simon's
house and 4 days before the Temple said was the 14 of Nisan, which would have
been that Friday. After a brief inquiry before the Sanhedrin, Jesus would have
spent Wednesday, according to the law, in prison at the high priest's home.
Thursday would have been the day of the different trials and Friday, 14 Nisan
according to the
So Jesus had the last supper on Tuesday
night when the Essenes were having their Passover. He died when the
Samie:
That Tuesday night was full moon, March 27,
31 AD and Passover is a full moon feast. Christ through Whom God made the
worlds can NEVER lose track of when full moon was to occur that paschal week. A
day ahead of the Jewish national celebration, He ate Passover with His
disciples on that night the moon was full, was arrested that same night, and
crucified the daytime that came, Wednesday, March 28, 31 AD, the prosabbaton
(Mk 15:42) of the ceremonial Passover Sabbath of the Jews.
After 3 days and 3 nights, as He Himself
specified in Mt 12:40, He rose from the grave early morning Saturday, March 31,
31 AD.
Gerhard:
....and Scripture is meaningless and
non-existing anyway....according to these our wise guides.
According to you brilliant scholars above,
the Scriptures are a <<spam>>
menace to your preconceived ideas based on exclusively NON-Scriptural <evidence> so proud to be of!
Are you Seventh-day Adventists? I don’t
believe it!
EVERYTHING that you say, Samie, is based on
one ERRONEOUS PRESUPPOSITION, namely, that "three days and three
nights" mean three days and three nights DEAD IN THE GRAVE.
Second:
If it is LITERALNESS you insist on, then it
is literalness you must abide by IN EVERY DETAIL!
And literally—according to YOU—the body had
been BURIED the moment the sun had set and the first NIGHT had begun….which
immediately would be opposite the literal text which has the “days” first and
the “nights” last.
It would also be confusing, had having been
DEAD, been having been BURIED (for “three days and three nights”).
But Jesus prophesied that He would be “in
the heart of the earth LIKE Jonas” (who was never dead) from that He began to
SUFFER DEATH until He would CONQUER DEATH. Jesus began to suffer death ALIVE a
full day of one night and one day before He—according to you—was closed in the
grave. So you make Jesus “be in the heart of the earth” for FOUR days and FOUR
nights, contradicting the Scriptures everywhere, New and Old Testaments.
It is with THIS ERRONEOUS suppostition of
YOURS, that you falsify the truth, here,
<<<….for Him to have eaten Passover on a full moon night and then resurrect
Sunday before sunrise, He would have eaten Passover Wednesday night which MUST
be a full moon, be arrested that same night, crucified Thursday, and after 3
days and 3 nights, resurrect Sunday morning.>>>
The TRUTH is, for Jesus to have resurrected
“on the third day” of the “three days and three nights” “ON
THE SABBATH”—as it is written in Matthew 28:1 HE DID—, He would have eaten Passover
Wednesday night, be arrested that same night, crucified that same day,
‘Thursday’.
But convoluting Jesus’ having been “in the
heart of the earth three days and three nights” with all your other
misconceptions, you create your own grotesque caricature of preconceived
contorted misrepresentations of the truth.
Samie:
Scriptures must hold sway over and above
extra-biblical sources. And using the Bible, it is impossible to prove the Lord
resurrected Sunday.
Scriptures delineate that Passover is a full
moon festival, and the Lord Who said He came to fulfill the law (which
obviously includes the law on when to eat Passover), will NEVER eat Passover on
a NON-full moon night.
So, for Him to have eaten Passover on a
full moon night and then resurrect Sunday before sunrise, He would have eaten
Passover Wednesday night which MUST be a full moon, be arrested that same
night, crucified Thursday, and after 3 days and 3 nights, resurrect Sunday
morning.
But in the reign of Pilate from 26 AD to 36
AD, the only Wednesday full moon occurred on April 9, 27 AD. But Christ could
NOT have been crucified on the year on which many think He was baptized.
Therefore, Christ could NOT possibly have
eaten Passover Wednesday night, NOR have risen from the tomb Sunday.
Krause:
Yes he could have, but he didn't. It says
he rose early in the morning. That would be saying to me, when the day was
approaching or the Sun was coming up. As far as the Jewish day! It was the way
God intended the days as we see in Genesis during creation. Evening and
morning, evening and morning, etc.! Meaning to me when the sun went down it
started the next day, starting with night time first and than the day time
second.
Samie:
Q~Could Christ have risen on Saturday
night? (Early in the first day in Jewish timekeeping)~Q
Not quite. The Lord resurrected early
Saturday morning. He ate Passover on a full moon night, Tuesday, March 27, 31
AD; was arrested that same night, crucified daytime Wednesday, and after 3 days
and 3 nights as He Himself specified, rose from the grave early morning before
sunrise, Saturday, March 31, 31 AD.
Gerhard:
Nothing than extra and super and counter
Biblical surmising and arrogation!
Samie:
Unless you are able to DISPROVE the facts
presented, my brother, which you have before tried but failed. Wanna try again?
Your move...
Gerhard:
<<my
brother>>....don't be so false!
http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/696868.html#Post696868
Samie, I cannot find the post where
Geoarrge posted, Q~Could Christ have
risen on Saturday night? (Early in the first day in Jewish timekeeping) ~Q
[quote=Samie][quote=Geoarrge]Could
Christ have risen on Saturday night? (Early in the first day in Jewish
timekeeping) [/quote]Not quite. The Lord resurrected early Saturday morning. He
ate Passover on a full moon night, Tuesday, March 27, 31 AD; was arrested that
same night, crucified daytime Wednesday, and after 3 days and 3 nights as He
Himself specified, rose from the grave early morning before sunrise, Saturday,
March 31, 31 AD. [/quote]
Can you explain, Samie, why I cannot find
Geoarrge’s post?
So, <<Could Christ have risen on Saturday night?>>
If the Old Testament FORETOLD that Christ
would rise from the dead <on Saturday
night>, He would.
But from "the Sabbath was made for
man"—meaning for the benefit to God to "finish all the works of
God" unto the good and salvation of man—, UNTIL "by the ALL-EXCEEDING
GREATNESS OF HIS POWER WHICH HE WROUGHT IN CHRIST", God, "once for
all", "ON THE SEVENTH DAY FINISHED", and, "ON THE SEVENTH
DAY : RESTED" : "HAVING RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD" Christ
could not have raised <on Saturday
night>.
In other words, right from the beginning
the Bible FORETOLD—"and God", in the Bible, "SPOKE : thus
concerning the SEVENTH DAY" --- not concerning <<on Saturday night>> which would be
on the First Day of the week in any case.
<<Could
Christ have risen on Saturday night? (Early in the first day in Jewish
timekeeping)>>?
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb Saturday night on
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“a Sabbath Day’s Rest for keeping remains
valid for the People of God”???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“God THUS CONCERNING the Seventh Day spake:
And God the day The Seventh Day from all his works RESTED”???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“Let no one condemn you for feast OF SABBATHS
CHRIST BEING THE SUBSTANCE”???
Listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“THE Son of Man is Lord of the SABBATH”???
BUT LISTEN TO THIS: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week, while it was yet dark>>>
yet
Mary saw “the stone away from the tomb” AND
JESUS RISEN AND NOWHERE TO BE SEEN THERE OR THEN???
BUT LISTEN TO THE TRUTH HERE: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“on the First Day of the week while it
was yet EARLY dark” first thing after the Sabbath, Mary saw the stone away
from the tomb AND JESUS RISEN AND NOWHERE TO BE SEEN THERE OR THEN???
And listen to this: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“Does not [God] on the SABBATH loose his ox
[Suffering Servant] or his ass from the stall [grave] and lead Him away to
watering [into Life and Glory]?....And will not [God] pull his ass or ox [Suffering
Servant] FALLEN INTO PIT [death and grave] RAISE HIM OUT ON THE SABBATH
DAY”?
And listen to this again: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“healed He every sickness ON THE SABBATH”;
“healed He every SICK ONE ON THE SABBATH”?
And listen to this: : <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
“ON THE SABBATH they brought out the King’s
Son and PUT UPON HIM THE CROWN AND MADE HIM KING….and they came THROUGH THE
HIGH GATE unto the King’s House and SET THE KING UPON THE THRONE OF THE
KINGDOM”???
Listen to this:: <<<Jesus arose from the tomb on Saturday night
the first day of the week>>>
yet
"The Jews sought to slay Him because
He had done these (wonders and healings) ON THE SABBATH—but Jesus answered them,
My Father WORKETH HITHERTO AND I WORK HITHERTO”???
STILL Scripture is LACKING for this:
<<<Jesus arose from the tomb on
Saturday night the first day of the week>>> and FOREVER will lack
for NEVER was it “thus written…OF THE CHRIST”.
Geoarrge:
All of the Gospels confirm that Jesus was
already out and about -- "Not here" according to the angel -- when
the women looked for Him before dawn at the first day. So, there is nothing
specifically unscriptural about the idea that the resurrection may have occurred
much earlier in the night.
Gerhard:
There are three main factors which prove
your theory wrong.
The first is the above PROPHETIC
eschatological IMPERATIVE Jesus would rise on the Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD.
Next is historical FULFILMENT OF THE
PROPHECIES, John 20:1 mentioning the first sight of the STONE ROLLED AWAY from
the grave “being yet EARLY OF DARK” which is dusk of the evening after sunset
before complete darkness—‘prohï skotias eti ousehs’.
....which <<<confirms that Jesus
was _already_ out and about -- "Not here" according to the angel>>>
directly after the Sabbath.
Third is the literal description of the
events and circumstances that accompanied Jesus’ Resurrection “Late in the
Sabbath” as such, Matthew 28:1.
Then there are OTHER facts which confirm
Jesus would rise, “on the Sabbath Day before the First Day of the week”, “while
it is the third day”—‘heohs tehs tritehs hehmeras’, Matthew 28:64
….and still other facts BASED on the fact
that He rose from the dead “on the Sabbath” like Hebrews 4:4 and 8,9,10
….and still others as in above post, http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/694245.html#Post694245
And of course there are the "three
days" - sequential chronology;
and the sequential chronology of the 'Last
Week' or 'Passion Week' entered upon on 'Palm Sunday' in the year of Jesus'
death and resurrection John 12:1,12 et al.
Then of course there is the ABSENCE OF
ANYTHING WHATSOEVER which might, would, or do indicate that Jesus rose from the
dead on the First Day of the week.
Re:
<<<It says he rose early in the morning. That
would be saying to me, when the day was approaching or the Sun was coming up.>>>
<<It>>—the
Scriptures—do NOT say <<he rose
early in the morning>>, or, <<when the day was approaching or the Sun was coming up>>.
Quote it!
You can’t—it does not exist.
But give you credit where it is due! It is
correct, <<It was the way God
intended the days as we see in Genesis during creation. Evening and morning>>—the
Seventh Day ALSO!
So why exclude that in Genesis 3:8—directly
after the history of the Sixth Day whereon Adam and Eve were created—, why
exclude where it is written “thus concerning the Seventh Day”, “In
the cool of the day….”, meaning when the sun had gone down and the next day
had started, <<starting with night
time first and then the day time second>>?? [<<day time>> of the Seventh Day
understood in Genesis 3:24.]
Naomi:
Mark 16:9 New International Version
When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to
Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.
Gerhard:
GOOD! EXACTLY! Now read your OLD 'KJV'
Naomi, and please post the two 'translations' for us next to each other, here,
please?
Mark 16:9
Context:
16:1, "After the Sabbath".
Mark did not record what happened during the past Sabbath Day. He also did not
record that the two Marys after Joseph had closed the grave, "returned
home", "by the time of the Jews' preparations" (John 19:42),
"and prepared spices and sweet ointments" after "mid-afternoon
towards the Sabbath that day the Preparation" ('Friday'), before they
"started to rest the Sabbath". Luke 23:54-56.
“So, when the Sabbath was over, Mary
Magdalene and Mary the mother of James [“and Joses” viz. 15:47 and Matthew
27:56—“the other Mary” in Matthew 28:1] AND SALOME”, after sunset during dusk
or “being early of dark still” [John 20:1], bought spices that when they would
go, they might anoint Him.
“And very early on the First Day of the
week came they over against the east facing sepulchre. Seeing the stone they
say to themselves, Who will role the stone away for us, out of the door of the
tomb, up and back?! And again looking attentively, it struck them how
unbelievably large it was! Now on actually entering into the tomb, they saw a
young man [messenger] sitting, on the right side, clothed in a white garment.
They were greatly frightened!
“But he told them, Don’t be afraid! You are
looking for the Nazarene Jesus the crucified; He was raised! He is not here!
Look here, the place where they put Him! Certainly you must leave now and go
tell his disciples – particularly Peter – that He goes before you to
“They immediately went out and fled from
the tomb trembling and bewildered. And to no one told they anything because
they were afraid!
Jesus doing “as He told his disciples”
…
“So He [“the crucified Nazarene, Jesus”]
early* on the First Day of the week appeared to Mary Magdalene, THE RISEN
ONE***, first**.”
* “Early appeared” when the sun was up and a gardener would start work in his
garden John 20:11-17.
** “First” of all and “first” before He “late that day” “as the Risen One”,
“alive” Luke 24:23, would “meet up with the disciples” on their way to Emmaus.
[Emmaus in
*** “The Risen” / “as The Risen” / “risen” / “raised” / “resurrected” ---all
the same because ‘anastas’ is a PARTICIPLE – NO Verb! ‘Anastas’ is both
Adjectival and Adverbial describing HOW Jesus, appeared. It is NO ‘do-word’,
telling Jesus ‘rose’ or ‘was raised’ like ALL FRAUDULENT ‘versions’ do.
Samie:
Mark 16:9
"Anastas de proi prote sabbatou"
= "Having risen early morning of the chief sabbath"
Jesus resurrected early morning of the
chief sabbath, Saturday.
Why chief sabbath?
Because in that paschal week, there was a
ceremonial sabbath and the weekly sabbath. The ceremonial sabbath is referred
to by the Lord as "your sabbath"; the weekly sabbath is referred to
by the Lord as "the sabbath of the Lord thy God". Between "your
sabbath" and "the sabbath of the Lord thy God", the chief is
undoubtedly "the sabbath of the Lord thy God" which is the weekly
sabbath, Saturday.
The genitive "sabbatou" was so
translated to refer instead to "week" to perhaps give a semblance of
Scriptural authority to Sunday-keeping by translators who were themselves
Sunday-keepers.
Gerhard:
You are a clever opportunist!
You claim for yourself of two worlds the
worst to breed your own hybrid dionaea muscipula.
You REJECT the best of virtually all real
scholarship, and tousle all Grammar and Syntax, to MIS-‘translate’ “early on
the First Day of the week” from ‘prohï prohtehi sabbatou’ into your foul
smelling fly-catcher, <<early morning of the chief sabbath,
Saturday>> .
And DESPISING the best of virtually all
real scholarship, you—being totally ignorant in Greek Grammar, Syntax,
Etymology and Idiom—DEFRAUD “Now when He was risen Jesus appeared to Mary
Magdalene” from ‘anastas de ephaneh’, mutating it into your murderous
stink-flower, <<Having risen, Jesus resurrected>>.
What a cauldron of pathos, irony and
tragedy, ‘The Rise to Fame of the Free-Fallers’, a Play by Samie of the
‘Official Twisters’ Club’.
It reminds me of …
http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/694989.html#Post694989
Originally Posted By: Ron Amnsn
The New Testament tells us that after
Jesus' resurrection he appeared to Galileans and that they became his
witnesses. (Acts 13:31)
It was three and a halve years after Jesus'
Resurrection.
It reminds me of 'translation' of Mark
16:9.
For sure it happened <<after Jesus'
resurrection [that] he appeared to Galileans and that they became his
witnesses>>.
Yes ja sure .... So it was after his
resurrection that He appeared to Mary Magdalene on the First Day of the
week.
Yes ja sure .... So it must be that after
his resurrection on the First Day of the week He appeared to Mary Magdalene
...
OR NOT?
For certain, NOT!
'translation'? No! : 'transgression' yes!
Jesus the Crucified ROSE FROM THE DEAD and
realm of the dead, the GRAVE, "WHEN suddenly there was a great earthquake
and the angel / announcer / messenger / servant of the Lord from heaven
descending by the brightness of his appearance cast the stone away from the
grave", and "SABBATH'S" duty DONE: "SAT DOWN ON
IT"--THEN: "Behold, THE SON OF THE KING!".
"The LORD reigneth; let the people
tremble! He sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved!" Psalm
99:1
Samie:
Matthew 28:2 And, behold, there was a great
earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and
rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
The verse above says there was an
earthquake because
the angel of the Lord descended from heaven. You are
saying
there was an earthquake because the Lord rose from the
dead.
When Mark said Jesus rose on "proi
prote sabbatou" = "early morning of the chief sabbath", you say
He didn't.
The Bible says He rose early Saturday
morning, you are saying He rose late Sabbath afternoon.
Gerhard:
MORE!!
I like it!
The more the better for me and worse for
you!
Come on, MORE!!
Re:
<<<The verse above says there was an earthquake
because the angel of the Lord descended from heaven.>>>
Yes.
‘kai idou seismos egeneto megas’ – “Behold,
there was a great earthquake.”
The earthquake happened simultaneous with
the descent of the angel as though “descending, the angel” caused the
earthquake, ‘seismos egeneto angelos katabas’—Adverbial Participle. Which
no one negates.
Just as true is it that “because of the
angel descending, he cast the stone away”—‘angelos gar katabas apekulisen ton
lithon’. Again which no one negates.
That does not take anything away from the
earthquake as an event that occurred independently, caused by the Creator God.
“An earthquake OCCURRED.”— Punctiliar Constative Aorist Indicative.
TWO events marked the moment of Jesus’
Resurrection, BOTH “OF THE LORD”, the earthquake and the angel’s descent. The
power of the angel’s descent as such had NO POWER in itself of its own. GOD
supreme and sovereign CAUSE “WROUGHT WHEN HE RAISED CHRIST FROM THE
DEAD”—“RAISED CHRIST BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!”
TWO events marked the moment of Jesus’
Resurrection; none of them CAUSED Jesus’ resurrection. Both were MEANINGLESS in
themselves. So I am saying there was an earthquake <<because the Lord
rose from the dead>>. CORRECT! For no other reason! By no other cause! To
the glory and honour of none other than God AND JESUS' RESURRECTION from the
dead!
Samie:
No Bible verse confirms what you are
saying. There was an earthquake, yes. But was that when the Lord resurrected?
No Bible verse confirms what you are saying, brother. The Lord resurrected
early Saturday morning, not late Saturday afternoon.
Gerhard:
Re: <<<When Mark said Jesus rose on "proi prote sabbatou" =
"early morning of the chief sabbath", you say He didn't.>>>
Mark does not say Jesus <<rose>>.
Mark does not say <<"proi prote sabbatou" =
"early morning of the chief sabbath">>—, you say it.
Mark says, ‘anastas’— “He, RISEN / ALIVE /
RESURRECTED, early on the First Day, first appeared to Mary.” In fact,
Mark says of “Jesus of
Mark tells “the ALREADY RISEN Jesus
APPEARED early on the First day of the week to Mary Magdalene.”
The VERB—the Predicate—the Do-word of the
SENTENCE is “appeared”; not, <<rose>>.
<<Rose>>
is a Lie-Word. <<Rose>>
is Samie’s DENIAL of God’s, Word.
Samie:
What document can you show that proves the
genitive "sabbatou" is "of the week" instead of "of
the sabbath"?
I have one,and VERY reliable and
authoritative: the Septuagint. A work of Hebrew scholars who speak both Hebrew
and Koine Greek, the language in Jesus' time.
What's yours?
Gerhard:
The Genitive, "sabbatou", is,
"of the sabbath" --- instead of, "of the week".
WHO DENIED?!
Who -- ever-- said different?
WHAT are we talking of, here?
... of a NON-ISSUE!
... of an IRRELEVANT, non-issue!
That I shall answer, Samie, is not to
answer you. I have finished with you.
I answer for myself in the first place,
that “I may know Him and the power of his Resurrection”.
And I answer that my answer--I pray--may be
an answer for the sake of others desiring to also know more of Christ and want
to give reason for the faith that in them is.
Herewith already, I have answered enough
and believe others might find I have answered enough as well.
Thank God there are those who are ever
learning and ever do come to a deeper knowledge of Christ.
Consult, ‘Out of the Deep “In Afternoon”’, http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/html/Out%20of%20the%20deep%20in%20the%20afternoon.htm
Appendix to p. 76-78, Out of the Deep “In
Afternoon”
In Part Four, Paul, I quoted Jonathan
Edwards, p. 197f,
“The resurrection of Christ from the dead, is in Scripture represented by his
coming up out of deep waters. So it is in Christ’s resurrection, as represented
by Jonah’s coming out of the sea; Matt. xii. 40. It is also compared to a
deliverance out of deep waters, Psalm lxix, 1, 2, 3, and verse 14, 15. These
things are spoken of Christ, as is evident from this, that many things in this
Psalm are in the New Testament expressly applied to Christ, (Compare verse 4
with John xv. 25. and ver. 9. with John ii. 17. and ver.2 with Matt xxvii. 34,
48. and Mark xv. 23. and John xix. 29. and ver. 2 with Rom.xi.9, 10, and ver.25
with Acts 1:20.) – Therefore, as the Jewish Sabbath was appointed on the day on
which the pillar of cloud and fire rose out of the Red sea, and on which Moses
and the church, the mystical body of Christ, came up out of the same sea, which
is a type of the resurrection of Christ; it is a great confirmation that the
Christian Sabbath should be kept on the day of the rising of the real body of
Christ from the grave, which is the anti-type. For surely the Scriptures have
taught us, that the type should give way to the anti-type, and that the shadow
should give way to the substance.”
Christ was that Substance, and the Sabbath
pointed to Him that Substance and awaited Him for the fulfilment of its
substance – not the First Day of the week or of its substance.
On p. 300f there, I have said,
Seeing it cannot be denied the day of the entering into God’s Rest is the Day
of the Sabbath, one further objection must be considered. It is the problem of
the time of Jesus’ entering into Rest through Resurrection from the dead. As
says Edwards, “… that the shadow should give way to the substance.”
First, let it be observed the moment creates the Day, not the day the moment.
We talk of “Resurrection Day”, not of Resurrection Morning” or whatever portion
of the day. The Event – Resurrection – makes of it the Day-of-Resurrection.
Thus Edwards also sees things. Says he, “But the day that the children of
“This coming up of the children of
“It is a great confirmation that the
Christian Sabbath should be kept on the day of the rising of the real body of
Christ from the grave, which is the antitype. For surely the Scriptures have
taught us, that the type should give way to the antitype, and that the shadow
should give way to the substance.”
I then asked:
Is there any necessity in the morning or
the afternoon in this scheme of things?
And I answered at that point in time:
Of course not; it necessitates the whole
day! The event is
much greater than the moment or even the whole day
belonging to the moment. We may fairly conclude from this that Edwards makes no
clear distinction between the morning and the day of the Israelites’ crossing
of the
After several years I have had a closer
look at these texts, and now must answer differently on the question of what
the word “morning” in these texts mean.
I don’t know Hebrew at all, but with the
help of Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, was able to make the
following analysis of some relevant words.
“13, And Moses said to the people, Fear
not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which He will show you today
… 21, And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the LORD caused the
sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and dried up the sea, and
the waters were divided. 22, And the children of
23, and the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them … 24, And it happened
that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians … and
troubled the host of the Egyptians – 25, they lost the wheels of their
chariots, and they moved with difficulty, so that the Egyptians said, Let us
run away of Israel, out of sight! For the LORD fought for
30, Thus the LORD saved
“That night” / “all that night” the storm
raged! “That night” / “all that night”, the LORD was fighting for
I therefore have a problem with the KJV
that says “when the morning appeared” (27), “Moses stretched forth his hand
over the sea, and the sea returned to his strength” and everything was over,
because “when the morning appeared”, is
“dawn” before “all that night” had passed.
“When the morning appeared” is from boqer
pahnah. When the “morning” – boqer, “appears” or ‘rises’, it ‘faces’ west. But
‘noon’, it has “turned”, pahnah, and now ‘faces’, east! Ezekiel 43:17, “The
stairs of the sanctuary “faced”, or were “turned”, east” – pahnah.
In Ex.14:27, boqer pahnah doesn’t mean
“morning appeared” or that it ‘dawned’, but that “the sun turned (and looked
east)” – “noon after”.
In Jeremia 2:27 the Lord reprimands his
people, blaming them that “they have turned their back on Me” – “turned”,
pahnah. The morning having turned its ‘back’ to its rising, is declining!
Jeremia 6:4 says it all: “Prepare ye war
against her; arise, and let us go up at noon (tsohar). Woe unto us! For the day
(yom) goeth away, for the shadows of the evening (ereb) are stretched out.”
Which word here is from pahnah? – “goeth away”!
In Exodus 14:27 “morning appeared” not; it
‘went away’!
What about Exodus 14:24 though? There it
says “It came to pass that in the morning watch”, the LORD saw the Egyptians …
struggled to get their chariots rolling. If this had been “dawn”, then it
simply says by dawn all was not over yet – the battle still raged; the “rest”
had not been “entered” yet.
“In the morning watch” is from boqer ashmurah.
Lamentations 2:18-19, “Let tears run down
like a river day and night: give yourself no rest … cry out in the night: In
the beginning / first – rosh, of watches – ashmurah (first watch after sunset),
pour out thine heart…”.
Judges 7:19, “Gideon came … outside the
camp in the beginning of the middle (tikon) watch – ashmurah, and they had but
newly changed guard.” This is the second and deep night watch.
Psalm 90:4, “For a thousand years in thy
sight are but as
yesterday when it is past; and as a watch – ashmurah,
in the night (layelah) (when it is past)”. The last or third watch of night –
of dawn – is supposed.
The Hebrew night watches were three; the
Roman night watches were four. The Hebrews’ watches of daytime, like the
Romans’, were two:
1 Samuel 11:11, “And it was so in the
morning (boqer) that Saul put the people in three companies. And they came into
the midst of the host in the morning (boqer) watch (ashmurah), and slew the
Ammonites until the heat (chom) of the day (yom) (= noon)” – the exact words of
Ex.14:24!
The second or afternoon watch, after this, then lasted till sunset.
So in Ex.14:27 we have boqer pahnah, and in
verse 24, boqer ashmurah. If the time were the same they would have been called
the same; but they are called differently and in fact were of different events.
God had told the Israelites to be quiet and
wait for Him while “all night” the wind would blow the seabed dry.
Boqer ashmurah in verse 24 started after the wind had blown “all night” and
lasted “during the morning watch” or first watch of daytime. Now the children
of
Now, after the LORD’s battle, He ordered
Moses so that the sea should close in again. Boqer pahnah in verse 27 was when
the LORD triumphed. Boqer pahnah says “morning has turned” – it ended. All
history has turned about. This was the moment! Victory, and the song of Moses!
The People in broad daylight “saw that great work which the LORD did upon the
Egyptians” – verse 31. The People “have entered the rest” (in the words of
Hebrews); they stood on the soil of the Promised Land.
The Exodus story gives the precise and same
time of day
for the moment of “Victory” that the Gospels give— ‘epifohskousehi’!
To remove a last obstacle to the better
understanding of the events of the Exodus and their times of day, return to
chapter 14 and read the text in its actual order, and not with verses 19 and 20
moved in between verses 22 and 23 as I did. With verses 19 and 20 between
verses 22 and 23, I made the time of day when the pillar of cloud and fire
changed position from in front of
Is there any necessity in the morning or
the afternoon in this scheme of things?
I at this point in time must answer:
Of course THERE IS; it necessitates the
whole day – “THE Sabbath of the LORD your God”, so that “In the end of the
Sabbath, being light turned towards the First Day of the week … there suddenly
was a great earthquake …!”
I think one may confidently view boqer
pahnah as the nearest Hebrew equivalent of the Greek epifohskousehi – “after
noon”; and boqer ashmurah as the nearest Hebrew equivalent of the Greek
epaurion “daylight morning”.
‘The Law prescribed’ with no ambiguity,
“when the
lamb must be eaten”, just as it ‘prescribed’ with no
ambiguity, “when it must be killed”:
“When it must be killed”:
“In the fourteenth day of the First Month
at even .... Ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month:
and the whole assembly of the congregation shall kill it in the evening.”
(Lv23:5 and Ex12:6) “At even” and “in the evening” are Old English for
“afternoon” – confirmed through Christ the Passover Lamb of God who died
‘afternoon’, “the ninth hour” Jewish time, 3 p.m. “Sacrifice the passover at
even at the going down of the sun”, Dt16:6.
Mark the utmost significant words,
“Sacrifice the passover at even at the going down of the sun, at the season (or
‘time’) that thou camest forth out of
(See book 1/1 p 52, ‘Out on the 15th and In
on the 16th Nisan’.)
"I deliver unto you WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT
which I also received—
How that Christ :
1)
“DIED for our sins …
“according to the SCRIPTURES ...
"the very first day ye shall REMOVE leaven [of life] …
"ye shall CUT / REAP the corners of the land …
"LIFT UP …
“BRING First Sheaf …
"ye shall KILL the passover …
“on the fourteenth day of the First Month”;
"How that Christ :
2)
“was BURIED ...
“according to the SCRIPTURES ...
"THE FIRST NIGHT …
"seven days unleavened bread ye shall EAT …
"that which remain …
“the next day ye shall burn with fire …
"THAT DAY …
"THE WHOLE-DAY-BONE-DAY …
“the fifteenth day of the First Month”;
"How that Christ :
3)
“ROSE again
“according to the SCRIPTURES …
“THE THIRD DAY …
“RESTED UP AGAIN HIS NAME :
“MOST HOLY PLACE …
“THE SANCTUARY ...
“CLEANSED …
“FIRST SHEAF OFFERING WAVED BEFORE THE LORD
“on the sixteenth day of the First Month”.
Bert:
A note to clarify the time of Jesus' death
and His resurrection:
1. Christ died on the cross on Thursday about the ninth hour, just before the
Preparation Day (Friday) was ushered in at sundown on Thursday. Read John 19:30
and 31.
2. At the time of His death on the cross, 'the veil of the temple was rent in
twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.'
Matthew 27:51, also verse 54, which speaks of the quake.
3. Since the Preparation Day is on Friday, Christ remained in the sepulchre on
that day. Also, see Luke 23:52-56.
4. He 'rested in the grave' on the Sabbath 'from all of His work'.
5. At sundown on Sabbath, the first day of the week was ushered in. According
to Matthew 28:1, 'as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week....',
Mary and another Mary went to the see the sepulchre.
6. At that time, there was a great earthquake, 'for the angel of the Lord
descended from heaven.....and rolled back the stone from the door.'
In summation, the Bible tells us that
Christ died on the cross just before the 'Preparation Day' (Friday) arrived, at
which time an earthquake occurred. He remained in the grave Friday and Sabbath
until sundown on Sabbath, which ushered in the first day of the week. Then,
according to scripture, as the dawn approached, there was another earthquake as
He exited the sepulchre, having been resurrected.
This is what the Bible tells us!
Gerhard:
<<<Christ died on the cross on Thursday about the ninth hour, just before
the Preparation Day (Friday) was ushered in at sundown on Thursday. Read John
19:30 and 31.>>>
Yes, <Christ died on the cross on Thursday>.
Now why do you say, <<<_about_ the ninth hour>>> if the Gospels say it was, “the ninth
hour”?
Here is why you did this: <<<… the Preparation Day (Friday) was ushered in
at sundown on Thursday>>>.
Now that is not what “the ninth hour”
means.
“The ninth hour” was the ninth hour of the
“twelve hours” every day consists of in nature as in the Scriptures.
“The ninth hour” is THREE HOURS BEFORE
<<the Preparation Day (Friday) was ushered
in at sundown on Thursday>>.
Reading John 19:30 and 31, one reads about
what happened NOT ON <Thursday>
the Fifth Day of the week; one reads about what happened AFTER <<the Preparation Day (Friday) was ushered in
at sundown>>, AFTER <<Thursday>>;
not <<on Thursday>>.
One, reading John 19:31 right through until
and including verse 40, reads about what happened AFTER <<the Preparation Day (Friday)>>,
HAD been <<ushered in at sundown>>.
One reads in John 19:31 to 40, of what
happened in the “evening” of the Preparation in its “night”, Mark 15:42 Matthew
27:57 John 19:39.
Bert:
At the time of His death on the cross, 'the
veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth
did quake, and the rocks rent.' Matthew 27:51, also verse 54, which speaks of
the quake.
Gerhard:
Yes, an earthquake as token of “the first
day” of the “three days” marked Jesus’ death — as a token of his Resurrection
“on the third day” afterwards.
The earthquake was just as UNNATURAL
occurrence as was the darkness between the sixth and the ninth hour of the day
Jesus died.
The earthquake on the day on which Jesus
ROSE FROM THE DEAD is called a “GREAT earthquake” --- because “when God RAISED
Christ from the dead”, it was “by the ALL-EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF HIS POWER
WHICH HE WORKED” --- the very most powerful of “all the works of God” “which He
WORKED” and whereby and wherein and wherewith : “GOD RESTED” AND CHRIST
“ENTERED INTO HIS OWN REST AS GOD IN HIS OWN”.
Bert:
3. Since the Preparation Day is on Friday,
Christ
remained in the sepulchre on that day. Also, see Luke
23:52-56.
Gerhard:
Yes in fact, <<see Luke 23:52-56>> specifically verses 54 to 56!!
But verses 54 to 56 tell only from “mid-afternoon
on the Preparation while the Sabbath drew near”---its last three
hours.
What happened in Luke 23:50 to 53 are told
exactly in greater detail in Mark 15:42 to 46a,b; Matthew 27:57 to 59; John
19:31,38 to 40 “after these things” which had happened “when already it had
become evening” and after in “the first night” of unleavened bread eaten until
daylight and Joseph and Nicodemus had finished their preparation of Jesus’ body
and had ended their vigil and “proceeded to the tomb”, the two Marys “following
behind”, to “mid-afternoon” had the body “laid there by the time of the Jews’
preparations to start” John 19:41-42.
So since the Preparation Day (‘Friday’)
“mid-afternoon” 3 p.m., Christ remained in the sepulchre on that day for three
hours, and on the Sabbath for another 21 hours until “mid-afternoon” 3 p.m., “there
occurred a great earthquake and CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD “BY THE GLORY OF THE
FATHER”.
Bert:
At sundown on Sabbath, the first day of the
week was ushered in. According to Matthew 28:1, 'as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week....', Mary and another Mary went to the see the
sepulchre.
6. At that time, there was a great
earthquake, 'for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven.....and rolled
back the stone from the door.'
Gerhard:
Sundown after Sabbath, the First Day of the
week had
had started already and was it “after the Sabbath” =
“when the Sabbath had gone through / passed”, Mark 16:1.
But according to Matthew 28:1, three hours
BEFORE, “LATE ON THE SABBATH MID-AFTERNOON as it began to dawn toward the First
Day of the week, Mary and the other Mary went to the see the sepulchre AND
THERE SUDDENLY WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE” … and Jesus ROSE from the dead.
Bert, Jesus was crucified and died the day
BEFORE He was buried.
It took Joseph, Nicodemus and the two Marys
(in the end), “THE WHOLE-DAY BONE-DAY” of the fifteenth day of the First Month
the day AFTER “the first day they had to KILL the passover”, to BURY Jesus “to
the Ethical Law of the Jews to bury” : the Torah.
Bert:
In summation, the Bible tells us that
Christ died on the cross just before the 'Preparation Day' (Friday) arrived, at
which time an earthquake occurred. He remained in the grave Friday and Sabbath
until sundown on Sabbath, which ushered in the first day of the week. Then,
according to scripture, as the dawn approached, there was another earthquake as
He exited the sepulchre, having been resurrected.
This is what the Bible tells us!
Gerhard:
<<<just before the 'Preparation Day' (Friday) arrived>>> is
NOT <<what the Bible tells us>>.
You now should understand that it was THREE
HOURS before the 'Preparation Day' (Friday) would have begun sundown.
You also by now must know that Jesus’ body
was laid in
the grave Friday three hours before Sabbath and
remained in the grave until three hours before sundown after the Sabbath, three
hours before the First Day of the week would begin when the sun had set.
According to Scripture then, “as it began
to dawn towards the First Day of the week”, literally “Late on the Sabbath
being in the mid-inclining daylight of the Sabbath” and the First Day was
drawing near, there was a great earthquake” as Christ INSIDE THE GRAVE
RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD and <<exited
the sepulchre, having been resurrected>>.
That is good yes, that is how the
Scriptures tell us it happened really.
‘Jesus arose from the tomb on
the First Day of the week?’
by Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
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